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Rotku wrote:Going to have to dig out that old curse words document we had a while back - it should be on the sight somewhere.
You mean this one?
SWEARING
General exclamations
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“By the hells!”
“Hellfire!”
“By the fiery gates of Gehenna!”
“Gods above 'n' fiends below!”
“Shyte!” [Generally seen as a better variant of “S***”]
“Damn / Damnation!”
"Dark" or "Dark and empty" [roughly equivalent to "crap"; prevalent in Sembia]
“Dented shields and broken swords!” [curse, esp. used by warriors and military folk]

Personal abuse - men
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“Whoreson” [questions someone's parentage, but a general term of abuse]
“Knave”
“Orcwit” [fool, idiot]
“Orcsnack” [a green recruit]
“Badblood” [a troublemaker]
“Troll dung” [abusive, esp. used by dwarves]

Personal abuse - women
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“She-goat”
“Harpy”
“Harlot”

Divine oaths
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“(by) Auril's kiss!” [A sudden realization of something terrible; a cold slap in the face.]
“(by) Bane's Black Blood.”
“(by) Beshaba's (bad) breath!” [normally used to indicate bad luck, or to curse an unfortunate event]
“By the combined crotches of all Beshaba's chosen!”
“(by) Clangeddin's stones!”
“Cyric's Sword!” [Curse and double entendre. It is generally frowned upon and considered bad luck to mention the Dark Sun's name.]
“Gond's Gears!” [A curse, something unnecessarily complicated and unlikely to work.]
“(by) Hanali’s Golden Heart!” [polite exclamation, used esp. by elven nobles]
“Helm's Haemorrhoids!” [Irreverent, to deride a necessary but unappealling task.]
“Ilmater's patience!” [When someone is timewasting, also “You'd try the patience of Ilmater himself!”]
“By the (Crying) God's Tears!” [Polite exclamation; Ilmateri normally omit “Crying”]
“By the light of Lathander.” [Normally a blessing, but also an exclamation.]
“By the last sunrise!” [Oath used by priests of Lathander, the Morninglord.]
“Leira's Lamentation(s).” [Something that is not what it seems, particularly feigned grief. A double entendre when spoken because Lliira (Our Lady of Joy) is pronounced the same way as Leira (Lady of the Mists).]
“Loviatar's Caress.” [Something that hurts, also “Loviatar's Lash”, for those less given to subtlety.]
“(by) Moradin's hairy pair!”
“Mystra's Miracles!” [An exclamation of surprise, as when something happens by unexpected magic.]
“May the Wandering God's heel tread lightly on you.”
“(by the) clanging stones of the Wanderer!” [i.e. Shaundakul]
“By the Six rods of Shakazakh”
“Great Stinking Balls of Tempus!” [A battle cry]
“Talos' teeth!”

Regional oaths (alphabetically)
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[Cormyr] “Keep your Peace Knot tied.” [i.e. calm down]
[Cormyr] “A hero must move.”
[Cormyr] “(you've) the reach of Gondegal!” [said to someone attempting something they cannot hope to achieve. Derived from the saying “Gondegal's reach was longer than his blade”, of the Lost King's brief rule over Arabel.]
[the Dales, Western Heartlands] “In the East, perhaps!” [untrue, absurd, as of a fanciful story or unlikely tale.]
[the Dales] “Mind the barn when it’s full, not empty. “ [i.e. don’t waste time on something that doesn’t need done.]
[the Dales] “Zhent deal” [a double-cross.]
[Mulmaster] “Fear and loyalty are the same word.”
[Thay] “Tamm's cold hands!”
[The North] “Klauth”, [“vicious”, as in “Don't go near him early of mornings; he's apt to be a right Klauth until he's had a mug or two.” or: “Blood and bodies everywhere...it looked as though old Klauth himself had come calling!” or the shorter variant: “Regular Klauth work!”, used to describe butchery. These all derive from the nasty brutality of the great red wyrm Klauth.]
[Zhentil Keep] “Rewarded like Zhentar.” [“Betrayed.”]
[Zhentil Keep] “For god, keep and master.” [Traditional salute of the Zhentarim. The keep refers to Zhentil Keep, ‘master’ to whoever is its leader, be it Fzoul or Manshoon, and 'god’ to Bane or Cyric.]

Planar oaths
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[I haven't included these, as you'd need your character to have a pretty improbable reason for knowing them. However, there's an *excellent* list at: http://www.mimir.net/cant/cant2.html ]

RACIAL SPEECH[/u]
Orcish
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“Ashdautas Vrasubatlat.” [“Someday I will kill you”, a standard Orcish greeting]
“Nar Udautas.” [“Not today”, the standard reply]

“Amal shufar, at rrug.” [“Where there's a whip, there's a way.”]
“Mirdautas vras.” [“It is a good day to kill”]
“Zanbaur.” [“Elfson”]

Dwarven
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“Axe high, friend, I go” [Dwarven farewell]
“May your axe be ever bright” [Dwarven farewell]
“I go” {Dwarven farewell – not impolite, often used by merchants]

“sargh” [orc, or orc-filth. Abusive term.]
“By my beard!” [The speaker is being VERY serious.]
“His beard is long.” or “...longer than his years.” [indicates wisdom]
“no-beard” or “shorthair” [meant as an insult to any race; particularly grave to another dwarf]
“You stand tall among us.” [complimentary; the actual height of the person in question is irrelevant - it's impossible for a dwarf to use this ironically.]
“His axe is sharp.” [said of a good strategic thinker.]
“Under the Mountain.” [Safe, well protected.]
“Open to the sky.” [Unsafe, unprotected. Also an insult, i.e. someone is a liability.]
“Gordul!” [“Gods look on!”]
“Calass.” [a thief]
“dur Authalar” [“the people”, only really used by wild dwarves]
“Fair as the Holy Hammer!” [Effectively means “Unfair”, “Unjust”; when addressed directly to a person (“Soft with the Holy Hammer!”) it means “Calm down”, or “Ease off”. The Holy Hammer are a dwarven group dedicated to the survival and improvement of the dwarven race and the lot of the dwarves. The dubious means (including murder and intimidation) by which they go about this noble-sounding end results in an expression which means the reverse of what one might expect.]
“Sandstone!” [Serious exclamation; literally stone too soft and crumbling to be workable.]
"As wild as a night in Wildstar." [Bawdy: Wildstar is an underground town of gold dwarves]
"For the arduke." [A battle-cry. The arduke is a title of the clan's chieftain used among the gold dwarves]

Elven
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“Shardae” [“Winds blow.” A neutral elven greeting indicating that chance has brought you together.]
“Sweet water and light laughter until next” [elven farewell, becoming adopted by nobles across the Heartlands]
“Vedui” [greeting; see “Vendui” below]
“Vendui” [Drow *only* - greeting. Surface elves will *not* be impressed if you use this to them]
“Aluve” [Drow *only* - “I/we leave you”.]

“Est eionivan ei tie Myotha.” [“Until the stones forget.” A green elven curse, pronounced in all seriousness on those who have done some great harm to the People. Based on the idea that all things have an anima or spirit which the People can speak with and that the stones have the longest memories.]
“Nadorhuan(rim)” [“Cowardly dog(s)”]
“Mereth en draugrim” [“Feast of wolves”, i.e. a slain enemy]
“Andodulin” [“Gate bird”, i.e. a slain enemy]
“Auta miqula orqu” [“Go kiss an orc”]
“Lasta lalaithamin” [“Listen to my laughter”, dismissive]
“Antolle ulua sulrim” [“Much wind pours from your mouth”]
“Utinu en lokirim” [“Son of snakes”, i.e. a dishonest person]
“Lle naa haran e' nausalle” [“You are king in your imagination”, to a pompous person]
“Amin feuya ten' lle” [“You disgust me”]
“Lle holma ve' edan” [“You smell like a human”]
“Dolle naa lost” [“Your head is empty”]

Gnomish
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“Forges warm, friend” [Gnomish farewell]

“(to) set the gears in motion.” [Getting things started, often with the mechanistic gnomish mentality that all things work like machines.]
“(he) always casts a shadow.” [Mild or medium insult. Suggestive of the inability to hide *in* the shadows or use illusions to avoid detection.]

Halfling
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“Good morning, and good day after that! Don't let anything curl your hair!” [Halfling greeting, to which is sometimes added, “'Ware the Big Folk, and mind the goblins too!”]
“Gods smile (upon you)!” [Halfling greeting to the impatient other races.]
“Brandobaris watch over your shadows.” [Hin farewell]

GREETINGS and SAYINGS[/u]
Hello and goodbye
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“Well met” [Most often used greeting, especially between races or to those about whom you are unsure.]
“Well again” [Used between business associates or acquaintances]
“Again.” [Hostile greeting. Abbreviated from “Well again.”]
“Olore” [Equivalent to 'well met', used by travelers in the Inner Sea lands, especially around the Sea of Fallen Stars.]
“Until swords part” [Warriors' farewell throughout the Realms.]
“Until next, may your sword be ever wet, and your arse dry” [the Pirates of the Inner Sea]
“Alavairthae!” [A Thayan farewell, particularly among the Red Wizards. Means “May your skill prevail!”.]
“Amarast!” [“Fare well until next we meet!”, used by the sailors of the South.]
“Braeunk vhos trolkh!” [Hobgoblin: “If you die while I'm gone, do it quietly.” Also implies the unspoken addendum: “because I wouldn't want to miss the fun.”]
“Tantam.” [Greeting used by merchants of all sorts in the North.]
“Oakfather keep the earth firm beneath your feet and the sun warm on your face ‘till next we meet.” [Also: “Rillifane...”, “Eldath…”, etc., and abbreviated to “Firm earth, warm sun ‘till next.” Farewell common amongst followers of most nature deities]

Sayings
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“That hound won't hunt.” [Indicates a poorly thought-out idea or ill-judged plan. Mildly insulting.]
"Watch thy step, or your gold will soon be gilding Gondegal's throne!" [Warning expression. "Gondegal's throne" refers to anything likely to be a money-sink.]
“(you'd) sell slaves in Silverymoon.” [to do something that violates local law/custom in a particularly outrageous and obvious way and then say: “I didn't know any better.”]
“(caught) between the Dragon and the Desert.” [between a rock and a hard place - to face two equally unattractive possibilities.]
“No more Firewine for the Barbarian.” [said of someone going too far with a jest or a plan. “firewine” can be replaced by “jhuild”, and “the Barbarian” by whoever it applies to.]
“Fool's Gold”, or “To take Fool's Gold.” [An adventurer's watchword meaning to take on an adventure so dangerous that only the god Torm (The True, the Foolish) would attempt it.]

Bawdiness and Innuendo
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"Huff, to" [To have sex]
“Satyr’s pleasure” [The act of love]

Rank and Title
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Position........... ............Male........... ..........Female
Commoner.......... ............Goodman.......... ....Goodwife or Maid
Knight, Officer.......... ........Sir.............. .........Lady, or Lady Sir
Mayor, Warden,....... .........Lord....... ......Lady, or Lady Lord Commander, Seneschal
Baron, Count......... ...........Milord........ .........Milady
Duke, Viscount, Marquis.. ...High Lord..... .......High Lady
Grand Duke, Prince....... ....Highness........ .....Highness
King, Queen, Archduke.. ....Majesty.......... .....Majesty

General titles for male/female nobility of uncertain rank:
[Mulmaster] “Zor/Zora”
[Calimshan] “Syl”
[Everywhere else] "Saer" [Also applies to children of nobility too young or low-ranking to have been awarded titles of their own.]

In general Heartlands usage, the head of a noble house is "Lord Grayhill", his children are all "Saer [name] Grayhill." His widowed or aged parents, or older uncles and aunts living but bypassed in precedence are "Old Lord (or Lady) Grayhill."
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Re: Role-playing faux pas

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A bit off-topic, but we also used to have this document on the site somewhere:

ACCENTS OF FAERUN
Icewind Dale, the northern Islands, and some parts of the North: Norse
The North: Canadian
Waterdeep & northern Sword Coast: American West Coast
The southern Moonshaes: Irish
Baldur's Gate and southern Sword Coast: southern Californian
Amn: Latin American Spanish
Tethyr: European Spanish (just add lots of "th" sounds for "z"s and "s"s)
Calimshan: Arabic
The Interior Sword Coast: American Midwest (from "Fargo-esque" around Secomber to bland Midwestern around Irieabor)
Cormyr: Eastern American
The Dragon Coast: New England/Newfoundland
The Pirate Isles: Hollywood Pirate
Sembia: BBC English
The Dales: Various English West Country and Northern accents (although it does seem odd to think of Elminster speaking like the Beatles!)
The Moonsea area: Welsh
The Vast: Dutch
Impiltur: Low German
Damara and Vaasa: High German/Swiss
Narfell, Sossal, and other areas around the Great Glacier: Scandinavian
Great Glacier: Inuit
The Great Dale: Czech
Thesk: Polish
Rashemen: Russian
Aglarond: southern Slavic
Thay: Hungarian/Romanian (think Transylvanian)
Mulhorand: Ancient Egyptian (think "The Ten Commandments". Liberally sprinkle "So let it be written, so let it be done" in conversation)
Semphar: Iranian
Unther: Ancient Babylonian (I have no idea how to properly implement this, though!)
Chessenta: Greek
Chondath: Italian
Turmish: Turkish
Sespech, Hlondath, the Lake of Steam: French (it's between the Spanish and Italian areas)
Chult: African (West African? Swahili? South African click languages? I guess just pick one and go with it)
Lantan: West Indian/Caribbean
The South: American Southern (from Virginian and Carolina near Chult, to Deep South around Lapliiya, to Texan in the Shaar)
Nimbral: New Zealand (it's an island way down south, after all)
Halruaa: Australian
Durpar, Estagund, Var, Ulgarth, the Utter East: Asian Indian (perhaps Hindi in Durpar, Bengali in Ulgarth, etc.)
Zakhara: Arabic (from Iraqi in the north to Arabic proper in the center to Northern African in the south)
Malatra and other nearby south coast cities: Thai, Cambodian, Vietnamese from west to east (there's room for all of them down there)
Tu Lung: Cantonese Chinese
Shou Lung: Mandaran Chinese
Tabot: Tibetan (duh)
The Hordelands: Mongolian
Koryo: Korean
Wa and Kozakura: Japanese
Maztica: American Indian
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evocative nature of American
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Curmudgeon wrote:Lantan: West Indian/Caribbean
Ya mon! To all ya Gondsmans out dere: cool runnings.
Halruaa: Australian
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Modern lingo gets me a little bit, but not a lot.

Otherwise... I don't like seeing either a blank or the default description. Give me a clue what you look like!

Oh, and people who make basically the same character over and over again. If you're going to keep dying, at least try to be original each time!
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Seems like as good a time as any to let known my major pet peeve and how stupid it really is.

There is an emote that I have seen ever since I started playing NWN way back when and it is very prevalent. Having seen it for so long I have come up with some theories on why it is used.

-could be a crutch that people fall back on when they don't know what to emote.

-there is no other term that comes to mind.

Now the emote happens to be "brow furrows". So something is going on with the characters eyebrows or something, they are squinting at something or glaring at someone, I don't know.

I can turn from a happy person into an evil one behind the screen when I see this emoted and it actually takes me out of the immersion because I've seen it abused by every player on any server I've ever been on. When this is used multiple times within in a small timeframe I start to actually hate whoever is using it and question their roleplay. Yes, I really hate this emote.

Because I have seen it so much I can come to the conclusion that it is a bad habit that people have with their roleplaying. They need to try to stop using it and replace it with other types of emotes, or something, anything, stop.

Now that I've released my horrible secret on the world I should now actually contribute to the thread.

About emoting emotions and feelings

Upon seeing another PC: “is glad to see (so and so’s name)”

The PC is angry: “is angry”

Emotions and feelings shouldn’t be emoted. An emote is used to take the place of an action that the avatar cannot visually do, which is everything and anything physical. If a character is irritated, simply emoting, “Irritated” is emoting your characters emotion. By doing this your characters become transparent and shallow for others to RP with.

Here is an example I just thought up for how to better handle this. Your PC is drinking ale at a tavern and is sitting at the counter. Another PC your character hates is boasting in the background within earshot. Instead of emoting, “Irritated”, emote something that involves mannerisms or facial expressions, or both.

“loudly tapping fingers on the counter” is a way to use an action to emote what your characters feelings might be at that moment. It’s no fun knowing other characters emotions and feelings without actually seeing it in action. This also adds another side to RP, miscommunication and misunderstanding. The character could be nervous, impatient, or irritated. Why should it be clear what his emotion is in this situation? It shouldn't.

This is advice for becoming a better roleplayer.
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Now the emote happens to be "brow furrows". So something is going on with the characters eyebrows or something, they are squinting at something or glaring at someone, I don't know.

Brow=forehead
furrows = deep lines ,usually in the context of farming

Brow furrows = the lines that for on a persons brow, or forehead, usually in the context of deep thought. Better than an emote *olooks to be in thought* or *looks to be thinking*...
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I have to side with DMN on this emote. While it can be abused, a brow furrowing isn't a character's eyebrows going this way and that -- it's the lines on their forehead becoming, for lack of better words, crinkled. It is very common to have that happen when someone is thinking, and especially if what they are thinking is in disagreement with what someone may have said.

The issue with "brows" comes in when it IS used for eyebrows. For example, someone saying *lifts both brows in unison* can throw people off or cause the confusion of what exactly a brow is. While it is good to avoid it all together in many cases, it is certainly a legitimate way to display a thinking [wo]man's look.
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I'm not saying its not legitimate, it's that I've seen it used so much. I've got sick of seeing the emote over, and over, and over, and over, etc, when something else could be emoted in it's place. And I know what it means, trust me I've seen it so much over the years to know what it means, I was simply insulting it.

Do characters just walk around constantly with their "brow furrowed"? When the only thing emoted is "brow furrows", and then a couple minutes later it's followed by another, "furrows brow", or "brow furrows" I find it very annoying for some reason. From my past I've RPed with players whose entire roleplay seems to surround this emote. Atleast switch it up by changing a word. This comes from years of seeing it non-stop so I hope someone out there can understand where I'm coming from.
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*brow furrows, eyes narrow slightly, face reddens from a creamy white to a light peach, eyes move furtively as if attempting to cast blame, knuckles whiten from a slight tightening of the fist, lines in the jaw muscle bulge from the growing clench, sits/stands more stiffly,....*

Somehow, "irritated" seems just as accurate and much more efficient. Faces and bodies are very good at expressing many emotions in ways that are obvious to others around them, and without anyone having to be a mind-reader. Surely it isn't necessary to describe the movements of the tens of muscles in the face and more elsewhere for the sake of...what? Of course they can be overdone just like any emote (excessive emoting itself being an annoyance to me), but I don't feel like my RP is inherently compromised by using such emotes.
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fluffmonster wrote:*brow furrows, eyes narrow slightly, face reddens from a creamy white to a light peach, eyes move furtively as if attempting to cast blame, knuckles whiten from a slight tightening of the fist, lines in the jaw muscle bulge from the growing clench, sits/stands more stiffly,....*
Man! I love that! You probably don't need to emote the entire thing though to get the point across. But, why would you ruin it by just emoting, "irritated" for the sake of efficiency? Not like everyone is online to quickly storm through roleplay. It's your personal choice if you prefer that though, I'm not going to argue to try and sway you this way or that.
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I just go with *looks thoughtful*

I shall attempt to improve my roleplay.
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G'day wizzo! Let's chuck another conjuration on the barbi.
you know... i really want a PC to say this now...
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I don't see anything wrong with "looks thoughtful". It's the "is happy to see (so and so)" type of emotes that don't make sense. Other character's don't know what your character is feeling unless you tell them or emote a smile or something.
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fluffmonster wrote:Somehow, "irritated" seems just as accurate and much more efficient.
*seems irritated* is just as efficient IMO, and does not imply that everyone can read the mind of your PC.
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