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Obama's first Order of Business......

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Please make it energy policy!

Even though there are significant policy differences between Democrats and Republicans on this issues, I think this is a place where you could build broad and truly bipartisan support for a major overhaul. It is a great place to make real change, do real good for our long term security, envorionment and future generations.
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Nice idea, but I think regulating the catastrophic credit/banking industry is more than a fair bit higher priority at the moment.
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Joos wrote:Nice idea, but I think regulating the catastrophic credit/banking industry is more than a fair bit higher priority at the moment.
The idea as far as i can tell is that by doing one you sort out the other. Actively pursuing green energy would stimulate the economy by providing a lot of new job opportunities. So, afaict, energy seems to be a good start in restoring the economy. Of course there are lots of other things to do. I would assume a lot of proposed changes on the level of govt control over businesses will be voted on in the house soon, to make sure this doesn't happen again.
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A fair campaign of reduction goes a long way. My brother was telling me a wallmart out in the midwest covered it's roof with solar panels AND buit a huge wind turbine out in their parking lot....

But they ended up SAVING more energy than they made by doing that simply by encasing all of their refrigerated products (the refridgerated cases with lunch meats, regular meat, milk, orange juice ect), putting closing doors like what is found on the freezer iles. REDUCTION is the first step in conservation. If we work on that WHILE we support a growing natural harvest of solar and wind power, it would go along way. It is definately time for the country to speed up the process so that we can be an example to other countries around the world on this issue.

Ethanol is a wash out. It uses a food soarce for energy (bad idea) and it takes more energy to grow the corn, deisel to transport it, the energy to boil the corn into a useable product (not to mention that corn itself is a very inefficient plant for its size) than it actually produces when used as fuel. A waist. Soy is a better base for biodeisal, and yet estimates say if we overed every square inch of the Usable US landmass with soy for energy, we'd only get 1/10th of what we use in a year...so again, ineffecient.

Solar panels are a small step, but not great in and of themselves. It takes a pretty big panel just to keep a 60 watt bulb going...so individually they aren't that great at harnessing solar power. They are progressing on the issue in the mass solar harvesting, making smaller engines for each solar dish instead of one big engine for all of the dishes, more effecient engines ect.

Not too familiar with wind turbines, other than the hugeness and expensiveness of them at a first time cost. Maintainence seems to be low though, so they def. pay for themselves.

More immediate shift in consciousness is what is needed more than anything, especially in the building industry. You have cookie-cutter houses across the street from one another with the same number of windows on each side....how much since does that make? A conscious effort needs to be out into building and placing homes according to the land around it in order to save energy costs...taking advantage of sunlight, taking advantage of water gathering, taking advantage of alternate ways of heating water...It really needs to start with the homeowner and be backed by the federal governemtn in the form of tax incentives...I know the gov. does sponser efforts more mainstream like making insulating your attic a tax writeoff and whatnot...more can be done to REDUCE. That's the first big step people have to make.
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Even though it sounds ridiculous to many people, I think hemp should be considered a source for fuel. It's clean, it works, and it grows like wildfire.

Yes, yes, call me what you will ( even though you'll probably be wrong), but if you dig into the history of it all, you'll find that the big oil and good ol' alcohol companies made sure that misinformation was spread to halt the industrialization of hemp ( all for greed, who would have thought!?). They did their best to block the usage of hemp by making it sound as a source of deviance, thus insuring that oil and alcohol became the only choice for fuel and consumption.

Smoking weed recreationally aside, hemp is an excellent source for many different products, uses up less of what we really need and besides all that, has medicinal uses as well. I really think it's about time we cut through the crap and realize that now is the time to put our foot down on the greed and lies that surround hemp industrialization.


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Conservation is so much more important than green energy sources, though both are essential steps to take within the next decade or so.

We need good public transportation, we need fuel efficient cars, we need consumers to step away from the shopping mall/megastore and buy locally, we need to cut down on packaging and trash;in short, we need to completely transform an economy, culture, and infrastructure that has been predicated since day one on inexhaustible fossil energy and other natural resources.
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Pathos Street wrote:Conservation is so much more important than green energy sources, though both are essential steps to take within the next decade or so.

We need good public transportation, we need fuel efficient cars, we need consumers to step away from the shopping mall/megastore and buy locally, we need to cut down on packaging and trash;in short, we need to completely transform an economy, culture, and infrastructure that has been predicated since day one on inexhaustible fossil energy and other natural resources.
Well said sir

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Sorry to be the headline newsbreaker but i hear the first of order of business will be the official language taught in schools is to be changed to Spanish and all english speaking students will have 2 years in which Spanglish will be used as a "compromise". As a class for those still wishing to speak or learn the obscure language english it will be offered as an obscure elective course alongside chinese caligraphy and badmiton.
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I guess Spainish as the official language beats what would have been the opposing parties first order of business....

Driving tanks into Iran. :lol:
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I have been listening to old white people all day ... I work as a park manager for a 55+ community in California...

They have complained about Obama being elected...ALL F-IN day ...

I can't say anything because of my job ...

:wall:

They are imo just pissed off because they are suddenly being struck with the realization that their bigotry is in reality the minority.

But one guy did tell me a funny joke so I MUST pass this on. I don't care who you are this is funny...

"As my first order of business, all white people will show up to the cotton fields for orientation."

HA!

/me is white btw.
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:eek: :lol:

Now that is damn funny!!!!
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IM NOT NORMALLY POLITICAL but I thought I would throw you some recent rumors from America post election.....

ps: When a president is inagurated he swears with his hand on a bible. I am curious to see if they whip out the Koran for Obama. I am not prejudice at all and see this new election as a great hope for the world. Also coming with great risk. The swearing in of a Muslim on the Bible might send shockwaves through the extremist fringe we all have become so familiar with over the years.

pps: The media has raved about a BLACK man being elected president...Why not say that he is the first non caucasian of any ethnicity (besides Irish). Bias racism in the media is still hurting this country to an extreme.

add on stat: 500 asassination plots were disrupted during the election process (cannot guarentee that number as accurate but i find it to be VERY high)
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AsteroidX wrote:IM NOT NORMALLY POLITICAL but I thought I would throw you some recent rumors from America post election.....

ps: When a president is inagurated he swears with his hand on a bible. I am curious to see if they whip out the Koran for Obama. I am not prejudice at all and see this new election as a great hope for the world. Also coming with great risk. The swearing in of a Muslim on the Bible might send shockwaves through the extremist fringe we all have become so familiar with over the years.

pps: The media has raved about a BLACK man being elected president...Why not say that he is the first non caucasian of any ethnicity (besides Irish). Bias racism in the media is still hurting this country to an extreme.

add on stat: 500 asassination plots were disrupted during the election process (cannot guarentee that number as accurate but i find it to be VERY high)
Whoever told you Obama is a muslim must be laughing their ass off at you believing it :D
He's most likely secular, but as we know, to have any chance in hell (pun intended) of getting elected in the US, MUST act as a christian publically.

Saying Obama is black, which by the way is a fact, is the opposite of racism. The tiptoing you're advocating is part of the problem, not the solution. The solution is to be able to say he is black, because he is, and everyone being fine with it.The fact that media seems to grasp this now is a huge step in the right direction.

In case you were trolling posting this, you got me. Paranoid lately with so much fairly ignorant stuff being posted. Never know :D
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Born to a Christian-turned-secular mother and a Muslim-turned-atheist African father, Obama grew up living all across the world with plenty of spiritual influences, but without any particular religion. He is now a Christian, having been baptized in the early 1990s

Those are the facts so yes you are correct. Sort of. Look to the middle east to find those that will scrutinize this part of his background most.
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AsteroidX wrote:pps: The media has raved about a BLACK man being elected president...Why not say that he is the first non caucasian of any ethnicity (besides Irish). Bias racism in the media is still hurting this country to an extreme.
Political correctness gone mad IMO. As zic said, it is not automatically racist to say a black man is black. If said in a derogatory way, then yes it would be, but if calling Obama a black man is racist, then so is calling his vice president a white man (which most would agree is a ludicrous statement).
add on stat: 500 assassination plots were disrupted during the election process (cannot guarantee that number as accurate but i find it to be VERY high)
a) Because Obama is black and b) because there are still deep racial divides in some parts of America. The country has come a long, long way, and i think after all these years Martin Luther King would have been very proud to see his dream become a reality, but it doesn't wipe racism off the map.
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