McCain taps Palin for VP!

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McCain taps Palin for VP!

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_ ... akes_palin

Im actually very excited about this pick. She has many qualities that the republican base want on their ticket, especially with someone like McCain.

She is Pro Life.
She is a Pro Gun
She is a wife, mother, and worked her way up to the position of Governor of her state of Alaska.
She is blue colar.

McCain never has really excited the republican party because most of us view him as an outsider. Someone who really should be a democrat. His views are more toward the center of the political spectrum rather than the right as most republicans are. With this pick he will try to show voters many things.

Hes trying to show that he will institute a pro life campaign/platform. (she also had a child recently with downs syndrome and she knew well in advance and could have terminated her pregnancy). He is showing that with her on the ticket he wants to win the appeal of american women (especially hillary clintons voters who dont care for Obama), he is showing that hes tabbed someone whos younger, whos tough on big business (she held a position that went after corruption in big oil businesses and others in Alaska), and hes showing that he wants to appeal to the christian republican base ( shes heavily involved in her church and organizations like Fellowship of Christian Athletes and some organization called Teen Pact.)

Shes a mother of 5 kids. Her oldest child is now serving in the Army. He will be shipped to Iraq this coming Sept. She has 3 other girls and the one recent baby boy, who was diagnosed with downs syndrome. She was a star athlete (basketball player point guard) and she was a hockey mom. Her kids played hockey in many leagues in Alaska and she herself has played. She was a former beauty queen of her hometown and runner up for Miss Alaska.

She has held the position of mayor and now is the govenor of Alaska the past 2 yrs. She faught corruption, is a strong proponent for Energy (including drilling in Anwar which McCain isnt keen on and shes been a big part of a pipeline through Alaska to Alberta Canada and down toward the USA) and she has taken on both her own party as well as others to get the job done. She has also reached out across the parties and put both Dems and liberals into places in her administration. Even though shes only been a governor for only 2 years she has more executive experience than both Joe biden and Barrack Obama. Obama was only a senator for 4 yrs but never in the position of running a state government like she has. Biden has only foreign policy to truly stand on.

I personally like her because she seems to not take shit off people, she is tough when needs to be, and she carries herself very well to an audience. She also very attractive for only being 44. (im 38 this year so shes very young and McCain is now 72 or 73). Shes not your typical washington politician. Shes a very well respected governor. Has a 80% approval rating in Alaska and she was voted one of the most respected governors in the USA by her peers (other governors).

I truly think this is a very good pic for McCain. He has been doing very well in the polls. Now, hes pulling the christian republicans in and also the vast number of women who want to see a woman elected VP or President. I truly think a good portion of Hillarys voters will look strongly at her. The issues I do see her having problems with other women is the fact shes pro life since a lot of women nowdays aren't.

I truly look forward to hearing her speak more and cant wait to see the debate between her and Biden in St. Louis. I only wish I could have gotten tickets somehow to goto the event. I havent wanted to personally be at any political event in my area since Clinton passed through Vandalia, IL in his first term as President when a lot of americans were energized by his message only to later be disappointed with the failings of a man we all trusted.

What do you all think of the pick? We have a ton of Dem/Liberal folks here in ALFA. What do some of you not in America think of the pick? Shes up north with our Canadian friends. Hockey fanatic :D

Im very pleased and actually kinda energized at this pick. I feel a lot better than I did about a McCain ticket for '08 than I did before thats for sure.
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I like the way he's decided to hammer home the message that 47 year old, first-term senator Obama is too inexperienced to be president, by picking 44 year old first-term governor Sarah Palin as his running mate.
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See, thats the funny thing...at 44 she has more experience than Obama does at 47. Im from IL so I know what Obama has or hasnt done while he was a senator here. He didnt do squat. Hes spent the better part of his senator terms running or setting himself up to run for President. He has no real experience to lead this country. She at least has run a goverment and has made real decisions for her state and when she was mayor of her hometown.
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This feels like a cheap attempt at the Hilary supporters.
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Kest wrote:This feels like a cheap attempt at the Hilary supporters.
Pretty much, the Republicans are betting hardcore Hillary people are so dumb they'll vote for anyone with a vagina whether or not their political positions agree. Unfortunately they might be right.

You also forgot to mention that she fought corruption so hard that she's currently under investigation for corruption. And she's yet another religious zealot. But at least it's not Bobby Jindal, who is officially out of his gourd insane.
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I think it was a smart choice, one that I really didn't expect him to make. Most people don't know who she is, but they're soon going to find out. I've been watching her career since she was elected governor. She's walking dynamite, and ethically flawless. She would have been even more effective against Hillary, though going after the bitter Hillarites she may be just as effective. He couldn't have made a better choice election-wise. Governing wise she'd be a disaster with gross pandering to the religious right, remaking all of Bush's faith-based mistakes or trying to anyway, but I think she will increase his odds of being elected once the base gets to know her. The only other veep pick who would have come close bump wise is Romney due to his alleged business acumen combined with religiosity, sort of the old big business GOP and the new holy roller GOP combined in one package. I was hoping he'd go with a moderate old chum, preferably one who was pro-choice to send a message that the GOP isn't just the christian party, but he didn't have the guts to do it.

It's going to be an interesting general election.
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You also forgot to mention that she fought corruption so hard that she's currently under Federal investigation for corruption
Shes welcomed the investigation into this. Alaska lawmakers are investigating whether Palin abused her power in firing a public safety commissioner. Lawmakers say they want to know whether Palin was mad at the commissioner for not firing an Alaska state trooper who went through a messy divorce and ongoing child custody battles with Palin's sister. She must feel pretty confident about the whole matter if she invited them to do whatever they needed to do and said she would co-operate anyway she could. Besides, McCains camp did background checks and Im sure they came up with nothing as well. The Dems wont have anything to go after.
This feels like a cheap attempt at the Hilary supporters
Of course it is. A good number of women do not like or want Obama as president. Many are pissed off at him for not putting Hillary on the ticket. A good portion of her supporters already said they were going to vote for McCain before he even announced Paulin as his pick. This is just going to bring in more and its also going to smooth over the christian right who are really happy to see a Pro Choice woman as the VP pick.
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I don't see how she can be expected to do the job - she was never a POW!
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We'll have to see how it plays with the hardcore Hillary crowd to decide if it's a good or bad move, I suppose. She certainly undermines his attacks on Obama, and VPs are probably going to get a lot more attention than usual this time around since both presidential candidates have a higher than normal chance of dying in office. Some Hillary supporters already went over to McCain out of spite, I wonder if all the ones who would vote against their own interests like that already switched, or if this'll grab a whole new group of them. I don't think it shores up the religious right much either; they don't like McCain, but I'm sure they hate Obama more. Even though the Democrats are going out of their way to pander to them, the Republicans are still the solid theocratic party.
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Its kinda like you being on the standards team then isnt it? :roll:

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Yes, unfortunately, the majority of Americans are soooo dumb, that women who wanted Hillary in will vote for McKY just to see a woman in power. Smart move to get in the vote...I just hope that's not all she's there for.
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Yes, unfortunately, the majority of Americans are soooo dumb, that women who wanted Hillary in will vote for McKY just to see a woman in power
Are you saying that american women are dumb? :?
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It is an interesting move and should have completely removed McCain's most effective attack against Obama i.e. the experience issue.

Strangely the Obama campaign seems to have made a bit of a blunder and has failed to take advantage of this, in fact Bill Burton for some reason thought it was a good idea to attack her lack of Foreign policy experience. This is a tremendously bad idea because the last thing they want to do is try to make the case that such a background is vital to the position.

Obama seems to have backed his camp off this track for now but some of the other Democrats have started doing it on their own and if this continues it won't bode well for Obama...the last thing he needs is for people to think that his own party believes that foreign policy experience is necessary for either the Pres or VP before taking office.

McCain can no longer complain about Obama's resume but if he has somehow managed to convince the democrats to make experience a central issue this could go down as a brilliant political strategem.
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Lusipher wrote:Its kinda like you being on the standards team then isnt it? :roll:

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In what way?

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Joking aside (yes, that was a joke based on McCains wonderful habit of dodging awkward questions by sayign "I was a POW, you know." there is something to be concerned about.

Unless she has changed her mind since when asked about Intelligent Design vs Evolution she said

"'Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

"Teach both." in this context pretty much means "I'm a creationist, your science and all its evidence is WRONG!"
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No Danubus...read what I typed...

I am saying AMERICANS IN GENERAL are dumb = not politically savvy...
therefore stupidity is not just limited to the females of my countrymen, but the males too. :P :twisted: Females are exsisting in this case because it is the female vote that is being pandered to.
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