Chavez

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Wed May 30, 2007 6:22 pm

Outside of the US and its win/loss rate in wars, it looks like Venezuela is in for some very hard times.

Jeppan · Post by **Jeppan** » Wed May 30, 2007 10:44 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:Outside of the US and its win/loss rate in wars, it looks like Venezuela is in for some very hard times.

Hopefully next you guys won´t elect a total nutjob as a president and things might work out without arms. President Bush and his goons are really making America look like more of threat to the world than anything else.

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:00 pm

The situation in Venezuela isn't US made; the only thing Bush is to Chavez is a convenient boogie man to justify his crackdowns. The only reason things will eventually get bloody in Venezuela is because Chavez isn’t one to tolerate dissent and he has been moving to this point for quite awhile now, the current economic difficulties and his failure to address them or the increasing corruption has created a need for scapegoats…he has finally chosen who they will be.

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:44 pm

This is all Chavezs' doing not the US. He shut down the local tv station there that criticized him. He doesnt like anyone saying anything bad about him so like the dictator he is hes wiping out anyone who opposes him and what he wants. Real democracy running down there...NOT!

MorbidKate · Post by **MorbidKate** » Thu May 31, 2007 12:05 am

Danubus wrote:This is all Chavezs' doing not the US. He shut down the local tv station there that criticized him. He doesnt like anyone saying anything bad about him so like the dictator he is hes wiping out anyone who opposes him and what he wants. Real democracy running down there...NOT!

Umm, I don't think anyone is defending Chavez in any way Dan. If anything, people are making fun of the nutter

Kate

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Thu May 31, 2007 1:38 am

MorbidKate wrote:Umm, I don't think anyone is defending Chavez in any way Dan. If anything, people are making fun of the nutter

You've changed Kate. You used to be really cool to talk to, but now you're an America hating liberal pinko commie terrorist!

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:21 am

I was stating what started all this shit. I wasnt giving anyone a hard time about anything.

Joos · Post by **Joos** » Thu May 31, 2007 3:07 am

Your mere presence is giving everybody a hard time, buddy.

MorbidKate · Post by **MorbidKate** » Thu May 31, 2007 3:36 am

NickD wrote:
MorbidKate wrote:Umm, I don't think anyone is defending Chavez in any way Dan. If anything, people are making fun of the nutter
You've changed Kate. You used to be really cool to talk to, but now you're an America hating liberal pinko commie terrorist!

LOL! For thinking Chavez is a wee bit unstable? Interesting.

Kate

mxlm · Post by **mxlm** » Thu May 31, 2007 10:49 am

Not only does she hate America, but she hates herself for not being American.

After all, since she's not American, she can't hate herself as much as the Ameribleedihearhippies do.

Rotku · Post by **Rotku** » Thu May 31, 2007 11:09 am

Danubus wrote:Real democracy running down there...NOT!

Heh, I'm sure it's nearly up to the standards of US democracy

From my understanding, good old Hugo has done a fair amount of good for his country, as well as his work in South America unification, even if his foreign policies (espcially where the US is concerned) are a bit... interesting.

Stormseeker · Post by **Stormseeker** » Thu May 31, 2007 3:26 pm

Just because the child molester is giving out free candies to the kids doesn't make him a good guy.

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Thu May 31, 2007 8:41 pm

Missed this before...

BalvinSlice wrote:

Not sure why, but I am going to go another round. Who do you think the population in each of those countries would state was the winner of the War? ((And what do you think they call them, American Vacations? They call them wars or for example in DR they call it the AMERICAN INVASION.))

More importantly...

Ask someone who lives in South Korea how they feel about Truman and Macarthur and who stopped the Chinese and North Koreans....

Ask someone who lives in Kuwait who won? and who kicked out Sadamn?

Ask someone who lives in Poland, Czech who won? and who got rid of the Russian Tanks and the KGB?

Ask someone who lives in Kosovo who won? and who stopped the genocide and Milošević?

Ask someone who lives in Dominican Republic, Panama who won? and who got rid of the dicator?

Based on my own friendships and travels, I am pretty confident of the answer for South Korea, Czech Republic, Domincan Republic, and Panama.

Again, I am not a fan of war or the current policies... but you got to call a spade a spade.... The US won a few and lost a few.

Not losing != winning.

Saying America won in Korea is like getting a stalemate in chess and saying you won because your king hadn't fallen!

Saying America won in the 1st Gulf War is like an away team coming onto a field, scoring an easy first goal/try/touchdown/basket (pick your sport) declaring themselves to have won the game even though it's only the first 5 minutes and running off the field again!

The rest were really just police actions, interventions and peace keeping missions against much smaller and poorly funded countries. Very few history books would consider them wars. Maybe Bosnia, but all you really did there was wander in and arrest a few people. New Zealand has been involved in quite a few problems in Fiji, East Timor and Solomon Islands in recentish years, but I don't think anyone has ever called them wars.

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Thu May 31, 2007 8:46 pm

MorbidKate wrote:Kuwait is certainly grateful. Enough to be the only country in the region to host US Army bases outside of Iraq. The other countries involved in the 2 Gulf wars have since forced the US to close their Army bases.

Which is a bit of a turn around, as they were mostly leaning towards the Soviets at the time, and Iraq was a much closer ally to the USA than Kuwait. However, Britain had a lot invested in Kuwait and didn't like the idea of Iraq annexing them, and I suspect the Iron Lady pushed Bush snr into breaking their word and their unspoken alliance with Iraq.

... So the current war in Iraq is all Britain's fault if you look at it that way...

Furthermore...! The reason Kuwait was annexed in the first place (apart from how it used to be a part of Iraq before Britain divided it up, and also because Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq by diagonal drilling) was because they were being a bunch of gratefulless bastards. After Iraq suffered the war against Iran to protect countries like Kuwait and then wanted to get help from the other oil producing countries to get their economy back on its feet, Kuwait actively shut down their efforts.

Rotku · Post by **Rotku** » Thu May 31, 2007 10:58 pm

Danubus wrote:This is all Chavezs' doing not the US. He shut down the local tv station there that criticized him. He doesnt like anyone saying anything bad about him so like the dictator he is hes wiping out anyone who opposes him and what he wants.

The interesting thing about this, Reports Without Borders gives Venezuela a score of 29.00 and the US only slightly behind at 13.00, when it comes to freedom of press - on a scale ranging from 109.00 in North Korea to 0.5 in some contries like Finland and Ireland. So really, the US isn't a huge amount better when it comes to freedom of press. AND this is an organisation which is often criticied for favouring Western countries, such as the US.