Suggestion: Player/DMs on TSM

ElCadaver · Post by **ElCadaver** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:34 pm

I'd DM again, but I'm enjoying playing and building too much at the moment.

What is the incentive for DM's to do their thang on ALFA? Answer that, and they will come.....

Lusipher · Post by **Lusipher** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:30 pm

The incentive is you want to help out by Dming. You want to tell stories and run quests and get involved with players to help bring their characters ideals and dreams to life. If you need some incentive to Dm then you shouldnt be Dming.

Twin Axes · Post by **Twin Axes** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:40 pm

I support any measure that would bring more quality dms to TSM. I might actually start playing regularly again if something like that happened.

MShady · Post by **MShady** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:02 pm

Is there anyone in disagreement with this?

Vendrin · Post by **Vendrin** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:05 pm

psycho_leo · Post by **psycho_leo** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:16 pm

MShady wrote:Is there anyone in disagreement with this?

I could be wrong, but I'm sure you'd find more people against than in favour of something like this. Heck, there's still people that think we should go back to the old days where DMs weren't allowed to play at all.

Like I said before I'm not overly opposed to something like this as long as it's only until a second sever goes live, but the chance for drama huge.

MorbidKate · Post by **MorbidKate** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:38 pm

Vendrin wrote:Me.

Okay... why?

You don't trust Darren to select DMs he knows and trusts as a stopgap measure until BG goes live?

Kate

Vendrin · Post by **Vendrin** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:44 pm

This may seem hypocritical as when running for Lead, I ran on a platform of trusting the players and the DMs, however in this, I think there is simply to much temptation, and not even in significant ways like twinking friends, or whatever.

Learning where spawns are, knowing how powerful the monsters actually are, etc. Things that they can use with their pc and not be stopped for it.

I don't maybe, some people can do it, I know I'd be tempted a helluva lot doing it, and doubt I could without getting some nice info.

But that just probably says more about me then anyone else.

MShady · Post by **MShady** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:49 pm

I understand the concern, but it should only be until another NWN2 server goes Live.

We kinda have a choice between no DMs and trying something outside the box like this. Hopefully we'll be able to recruit people so it won't be neccesary, but...

It's a band aid fix that involves alot of trust I think we can muster. This is a community decision that should be decided on a broad basis, but I think it could work with the right people.

Besides.... you can quit DMing and go back to the same server a month later as a player. It's not like you're going to forget much in that time. We have had Admins with complete access to everything play on occasion without an incident, I presume.

Mike

MorbidKate · Post by **MorbidKate** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:06 pm

MShady wrote:Besides.... you can quit DMing and go back to the same server a month later as a player. It's not like you're going to forget much in that time.

That's a very good point actually. Beyond plots there is little in a Mod that changes in 30 days so I think the instances of players getting into trouble where they had DMd previously has been beyond rare to date. Maybe Vendrin can't trust himself but I'm sure others can... and have.

Kate

Post by **paazin** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:31 pm

MorbidKate wrote: That's a very good point actually. Beyond plots there is little in a Mod that changes in 30 days so I think the instances of players getting into trouble where they had DMd previously has been beyond rare to date. Maybe Vendrin can't trust himself but I'm sure others can... and have.

Kate

Be fair, Kate - he does bring up a valid concern; personally, I'd see a Player/DM being put to even higher standard than that of an ALFA DM, because of the suspicion that people would have.

MShady · Post by **MShady** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:39 pm

Well... lets move the discussion from what to do and look at those restrictions. Paazin's right about how they should be placed on a higher level of accountability.

How should this be regulated to make this work? What limitiations would this kind of DM have?

Mike

MorbidKate · Post by **MorbidKate** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:03 pm

paazin wrote:Be fair, Kate - he does bring up a valid concern; personally, I'd see a Player/DM being put to even higher standard than that of an ALFA DM, because of the suspicion that people would have.

I wasn't trying to be unfair at all. I've already suggested elsewhere that DM/Players be held to a much higher standard because I feel it's very much needed to ease the paranoia. Instead of 3 strikes I'd have no problem at all with a perma-ban for abuse of trust on the first proven offence.

Kate

Rick7475 · Post by **Rick7475** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:17 pm

I know the mod inside out. Every nook and cranny. I know all the scripts, all the areas, and all the NPC's. This would never work for me being a DM and a player. So, maybe for a few other DM's, but whatever you do, you have to make it seemless to DM for former DM's. The less red tape, the more attractive it is. Remember, we have a major competitor for our DM's and they are going there.

Inaubryn · Post by **Inaubryn** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:29 pm

If by some grand miracle you guys implement this, I'll DM on TSM just to help out and further the DM presence. Why don't you help out and DM anyway, Inaubryn, you say? Simply because if this passes this will have been... hmm.... a watershed moment might be too strong a phrase. But, it will be momentus, nevertheless and a step in the right direction for ALFA. Small step but... Paazin asked me what would bring me back to ALFA and others, this would be a start.