The entire purpose of fraudulent registration is to commit faudulent voting.. Groups like ACORN know that if they have x number of fraudulent registrations, not all of those people are going to be able to vote, but that's not the trick to it - it's to just get some of those people through to fraudulent vote. And some will slip through the cracks.MorbidKate wrote:Once again it's registration fraud, not voter fraud...
Mickey Mouse, no. "John Smith", yes. And in some states, no ID is required.Morbid Kate wrote:unless you seriously think Mickey Mouse is gonna show up to vote on election day or that others are going to try and vote 70+ times.
Destroying fraudulent registrations is not stealing an election. Turning voters away because they showed up at the wrong place is not stealing an election.Peanuts compared to what the Republicans have done in the past.
FACT! Barack Obama was a community organizer. ACORN is made of community organizers. Acorns come from oak trees. Oak trees belong to the genus Quercus, which includes Quercus faginea, the Portuguese oak. The prime minister of Portugal is José Sócrates, whose last name looks like Socrates, who lived in Athens, which is also a city in Georgia, whose state fruit is the peach, which is native to China, which is exactly what Osama bin Laden was eating off of while he was plotting to destroy the Twin Towers. It's all connected, people - they just don't want you to know! And they could be black.
You cannot be guilty of a crime until the crime has been committed.Vaelahr wrote:The entire purpose of fraudulent registration is to commit faudulent voting.. Groups like ACORN know that if they have x number of fraudulent registrations, not all of those people are going to be able to vote, but that's not the trick to it - it's to just get some of those people through to fraudulent vote. And some will slip through the cracks.MorbidKate wrote:Once again it's registration fraud, not voter fraud...
So your blaming registration agencies for the fact that you can vote entirely without proving who you are in some states?Vaelahr wrote:Mickey Mouse, no. "John Smith", yes. And in some states, no ID is required.Morbid Kate wrote:unless you seriously think Mickey Mouse is gonna show up to vote on election day or that others are going to try and vote 70+ times.
I'm pretty sure that conspiring to commit a crime is illegal in the U.S. as well. Is it not in Australia?Swift wrote:You cannot be guilty of a crime until the crime has been committed.
Depends on the crime. The only crimes i have seen people charged with before they actually did anything was terrorism related, and the conspiring charge was bunched in with a whole host of actual crimes that were committed (receiving money from terrorists, belong to a terrorist organisation).Veilan wrote:I'm pretty sure that conspiring to commit a crime is illegal in the U.S. as well. Is it not in Australia?Swift wrote:You cannot be guilty of a crime until the crime has been committed.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=10538051Swift wrote:It is extremely rare that anyone over here gets charged for a crime they planned to do but never actually carried out.
Not necessarily. The purpose of fraudulent registration could be (and probably is, in this case) to defraud the people that are paying you per head for registering new voters.Vaelahr wrote:The entire purpose of fraudulent registration is to commit faudulent voting.. .MorbidKate wrote:Once again it's registration fraud, not voter fraud...
Indeed. I have yet to see anything whatsoever to suggest this wasn't the case. Placing signature quotas on its employees was a recipe for disaster and an invitation to pad their numbers for the sake of a pay check. Hardly a cunning & calculated attempt to have voters cast multiple ballots on Election Day.Mayhem wrote:Not necessarily. The purpose of fraudulent registration could be (and probably is, in this case) to defraud the people that are paying you per head for registering new voters.
Yes, travel to the one country and specific city where you had previously plotted the rape and exploitation of a minor. He's a friggin moron. Even then he was finally released and should count himself lucky it only cost him 8 months.NickD wrote:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=10538051Swift wrote:It is extremely rare that anyone over here gets charged for a crime they planned to do but never actually carried out.
The group concedes that some of its hired canvassers have turned in tainted forms, although they say the ones with phony names constitute no more than 1 percent of the total turned in. The group also says it reviews all of the registration forms that come in. Before delivering the forms to elections offices, its supervisors flag any that appear to have problems.
According to Acorn, most of the forms that are now causing controversy are ones that it flagged and that unsympathetic election officials then publicized.
Meanwhile, Republicans aren’t saying anything about another more serious voter-registration scandal: the fact that about one-third of eligible voters are not registered. The racial gaps are significant and particularly disturbing. According to a study by Project Vote, a voting-rights group, in 2006, 71 percent of eligible whites were registered, compared with 61 percent of blacks, 54 percent of Latinos and 49 percent of Asian-Americans.
Much of the blame for this lies with overly restrictive registration rules. Earlier this year, the League of Women Voters halted its registration drive in Florida after the state imposed onerous new requirements.
The answer is for government to do a better job of registering people to vote. That way there would be less need to rely on private registration drives, largely being conducted by well-meaning private organizations that use low-paid workers. Federal and state governments should do their own large-scale registration drives staffed by experienced election officials. Even better, Congress and the states should adopt election-day registration, which would make such drives unnecessary.
The real threats to the fabric of democracy are the unreasonable barriers that stand in the way of eligible voters casting ballots.
I agree with you Kate, but every time this sort of measure is proposed, somebody screams the D word - Disenfranchised!MorbidKate wrote:As I said, anyone who does this crap should get the book thrown at them regardless of their politics because it only serves to undermine the process. Still, I can't believe people can vote in the US without showing any sort of ID but then again I've seen that in post 911 US airports with no ID checks to match people boarding planes. Canada has far higher security standards in both elections and public safety.
I fail to see how being asked to identify yourself in the US could be seen as that. Maybe it's time the US took a page from the Iraqi elections and dip American fingers in ink on election day to minimize actual voter fraud.ç i p h é r wrote:I agree with you Kate, but every time this sort of measure is proposed, somebody screams the D word - Disenfranchised!
