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[Stormseeker]

oh as for bringer....well my wife calls him my "other wife". May have something to due with the amount of nagging i receave from both of them at the same time.

[Witchdoctor]

Most countries will be pulling ahead of america now in this regard. I submit the NDAA as proof.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/340429

[Lucifer]

+1 Witchdoctor..Unfortunately I must agree..and The NDAA is one of the reasons why I feel the need to keep my guns. They ask why 30 round clips? They say I'd never make a stand. Most likely standing up and refusing to be "detained" would end in capture or death..but with weaponry and perserverence you might make enough ruckus to gain notice and send a warning to others before you cash in.

Srry don't mean to get all revolutionary on ya..but it was why we were guarenteed the right to keep and bear arms.

[gonz.0]

we were guarenteed the right to keep and bear arms.

+1
Other than correcting spelling, I agree.

[Swift]

Srry don't mean to get all revolutionary on ya..but it was why we were guarenteed the right to keep and bear arms.

Sorry, but, heres your second amendment as it appears in the US constitution:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

Are you part of a militia? I would bet 99% of American gun owners are not. The second amendment has been perverted over the years, to the point that people only remember the end of it and use it as justification for owning weapons that have no right to be in the hands of civilians (I am talking military grade hardware that is available in many, many US states).

So the right to bear arms is not really a right at all unless you are part of a militia designed to keep the government honest

[gonz.0]

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

I have to disagree with your interpretation. A preamble while being part of this statement, is not a limiter to that statement. As of the time the writing of the document, a militia was made up of every able bodied townsman able to hold and fire a weapon. And in the writing of this, it was recognized that each state should have their own ready to respond militia forces. Now we call it 'national guard' but that makes it none the less still, a right.

If there is something that has been perverted over the years, it is the way the U.S. government sees regulation. At the founding, it meant laws, voted in by the representatives of the people. Now, it is by agencies to which the congress has signed away it's responsibilities.

[Swift]

Why even have it as part of the text if the amendment was purely to enshrine the right of the population to carry weapons? The right is intrinsicly linked with the preamble, that bearing arms as part of a militia is part of the populations right, thereby implying that those that are not members of a militia do not share the same right.

Yes, at the time, every member of a town may have been considered part of a militia, but those days are long gone and the amendment has never been altered or further amended to extend the right to all civilians.

[gonz.0]

Nor has it been amended or altered to preclude it either.

People of education spoke and wrote differently in that time. Preamble was quite common, in the method of giving a thinking of the reason why something was being written, not to limit what was being written or putting conditions upon it.

EDIT - ADDED: I think it should also be noted, that the word regulated, per my research was intended not to mean brought into law or command structure, but in the fact of order and use of a common materiel, such as common caliber of fire arm in order to be supplied more easily.

In other words, to quote the dictionary : to bring order, method, or uniformity to

[Witchdoctor]

Who is the power that decides what a "well regulated militia" is anyway? I know...lets ask the possible future tyrannical govt. the militia is supposed to defend against. "ummm sorry no... disband you are not well regulated enough to oppose us."

Or for the sake of winning this point why don't I just declare myself commander of one?

Edit: If what is says on the internet is true then this:

Prior to the Supreme Court's 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller,1 the courts had yet to definitively state what right the Second Amendment protected. The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, were (1) an "individual rights" approach, whereby the Amendment protected individuals' rights to firearm ownership, possession, and transportation; and (2) a "states' rights" approach, under which the Amendment only protected the right to keep and bear arms in connection with organized state militia units.2 Moreover, it was generally believed that the Amendment was only a bar to federal action, not to state or municipal restraints.3

However, the Supreme Court has now definitively held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that weapon for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Moreover, this right applies not just to the federal government, but to states and municipalities as well.

[Veilan]

King George could invade any day now.

Only the fear of American militiamen like this praiseworthy patriot keeps the Royal Navy still anchored in Portsmouth.

[Rumple C]

Wow, Wolverine really let himself go.

[gonz.0]

King George could invade any day now.

Only the fear of American militiamen like this praiseworthy patriot keeps the Royal Navy still anchored in Portsmouth.

Funny. I just wonder where he was concealing that. ((Reference to your Tag - The power of concealment lies in revelation.))

As I hope that is your joke, for I see nothing funny about the picture itself.

[Sidhe]

King George could invade any day now.

Only the fear of American militiamen like this praiseworthy patriot keeps the Royal Navy still anchored in Portsmouth.

LOL

I see definate potential as a trench runner!

[Swift]

The sign on the door just above his head says 'Fitting Room'

[gonz.0]

My guess from what is in the picture, that person is either working at the firearm/hunters shop and proud of his concoction (though a laser designator on a spray weapon like that is kinda silly) and showing off.... or saying 'Hey MOM, this is what I want for Christmas since you make me wear the Santa Suit.