Canon and starting date

darrenhfx · Post by **darrenhfx** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:28 pm

For Cold Lands, the Year of Rogue Dragons was when we absolutely needed to start but I see no problem with 1375.

Mikayla · Post by **Mikayla** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:33 pm

From the other thread:

By 1375. IIRC, Lolth is no longer silent and Vhaerun is on the verge of being "killed" - though to be honest I do not believe he is really dead. The "Sacrifice of the Widow" is the first in a trilogy that will take more than another year to complete. My recommendation is that we start on day 1 of 1375, with the Silence of Lolth over, but with the events of the "Widow" series yet to come - underdark/MD/drow DMs can then play these events out in their own fashion, much as Vendrin did in NWN1-ALFA with the Silence of Lolth and GF did with the Shade war.

Spider Jones · Post by **Spider Jones** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:11 pm

The starting date will effect basically every server that has been proposed, if it is in early 1375, you've got Khelben dead for WD, Obould establishing his Kingdom of Many Arrows on Mithril Halls doorstep, the events in Cormanthor and the Dalelands, et cetera, et cetera.

Castano · Post by **Castano** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:24 am

I am not aware of any start date impacts on the moonshaes and other outlying islands (e.g. no great destructions etc.) to be fair I have not read any current books so pls let me know if you are aware of anything that would have destroyed/altered locations since the FR campaign setting source book was written in 2001.

I have no preference for start date and will comply with whatever the other servers/alfa decides.

Brokenbone · Post by **Brokenbone** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:21 pm

This and a June 07 chatlog seem to be the only places where a variety of Admin, prior Admin, or team leads for nwn2 servers got into start date in a definitive way.

Did we end up landing on "1375 minus a couple of series of novels", or what?

dergon darkhelm · Post by **dergon darkhelm** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:30 pm

I asked in this thread.

http://www.alandfaraway.org/phpbbforum/ ... hp?t=39082

according to game clock atm it is October 18, 1373.

I am not saying this to be contrary, but if we are going with 1375 someone ought to tell the palyers.

Brokenbone · Post by **Brokenbone** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:46 pm

Yeah I'm not trying to be provocative either... I think some of the servers waiting in the wings might have certain base assumptions about the timeline though, right? Example would be Myth Drannor, which I think is basically leaderless / dormant or something at the moment. Same goes for whatever work and thought was starting to go into Anauroch. A couple of years makes a pretty big difference in whether a region might even be habitable for typical PCs (i.e., is a region full of demons? dangerous but desolate desert, or Shade central? etc.)

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Mon May 12, 2008 12:07 am

I've seen my share of FR timelines and I know that ALFA deviates from them to some extent. Do we have an ALFA canon timeline? I'm finally playing a PC that should actually know a thing or two, and I'm realizing I may be using the wrong references.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Mon May 12, 2008 8:14 am

NWN1 ALFA canon does not carry over to NWN2.

Thangorn · Post by **Thangorn** » Mon May 12, 2008 10:58 am

so uh.. are we back to deciding the start date again? I thought Day 1 of 1375 was the approved starting date for NWN2 ALFA.. Please enlighten me as my build changes dramatically if we are going any earlier..

Brokenbone · Post by **Brokenbone** » Mon May 12, 2008 12:36 pm

It had simply come up in chat, some kind of IG clock in TSM reveals like... October (yes that's not an FR month name), in 1373.

Query was really on "where did we all decide to land?", since there'd definitely been discussions on it, and HUGE canon things seem to happen in the 1370s... ie, Shade stuff, or when does Blackstaff die, or when does a given treaty end, or have the elves returned to Myth Drannor, yada yada yada. Maybe it's important for PC bios as well, can't say.

EDIT: as noted here and in some June 07 builder chatlog, everything's telling me "1375", and since I'm assuming builders took that as gospel, I have to assume we very firmly landed on that.

Munmun · Post by **Munmun** » Mon May 12, 2008 1:21 pm

Edit: My source was a little behind. The current campaign date going by WotC is 1376 DR.

This does raise the question: what does ALFA do about the huge changes coming in the next campaign year?

My answer: Probably ignore them. Too much stuff is changing and directly affects the base rules of the game. We couldn't really afford to go by it.

Mulu · Post by **Mulu** » Mon May 12, 2008 2:25 pm

Rusty wrote:NWN1 ALFA canon does not carry over to NWN2.

I was under the impression that Rivermoot's design was effected by ALFA NWN1 canon events, "canon meet campaign" I believe was the phrase. So is this a Rusty Rule, or something that all of ALFA is actually on board with? My own recollection of those early NWN2 discussions was that no PC's would carry over, but ALFA canon events would.

To the extent FR canon timeline events are being ignored or otherwise altered, could that be posted somewhere obvious in an inclusive manner? I've already seen and participated in bard conflict in game regarding what's going on in the world right now, and I suspect it's only going to get worse with an in game date clock that's apparently 2-3 years behind and campaign deviations from canon, whether from ALFA NWN1 or NWN2.

I've always been the kind of player who thinks PC's shouldn't know everything or always be right, but I prefer to do that on purpose....

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Mon May 12, 2008 2:31 pm

In NWN1 ALFA the Marches were conquered by the Shadovar.

NWN1 ALFA canon carries over to NWN2 in the form of minor canon events that do not conflict with WotC 3.5 canon (such as buildings and easter eggs of past plots in the form of tales and stories), and/or with PCs converted to NPCs, all at HDM discretion. Nothing else carries over.

Mikayla · Post by **Mikayla** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:33 pm

I think we all know that NWN1 does not carry over to NWN2 in ALFA - but we still need to know what the date is; right now the in-game "clock" says its late October 1373 (or maybe even early November). But ALFA had previously decided (at least tentatively) to start in 1375. And WotC is in 1376. And a lot happens in those years - there is a big difference in WotC cannon between 1373 and 1375. So, the question is, what year is it in ALFA's NWN2?