Practiced spell caster can be exploited in the following way. A pc with a prc that contains full casting can take practiced spell caster to bump his casting level beyond his number of hit dice.
For example a wizard 6/arcane scholar of candlekeep 4 can take practiced spell caster and bump his casting level from 10 to 14. This would be one of the best tricks in the game if legal but seems like an exploit to me.
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Re: practiced spell caster exploit
Is this truly for real 
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Yeah. I wasn't aware people didn't know this; it's an old bug. The game has a few more "cheats" like this: for instance Monks who both dual-wield and flurry get an extra attack and Arcane PrCs give Spirit Shamans extra spell levels.
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Dammit, now that I know this, I cant make my Monk/Spirit Shaman/bard/arcane scholarhollyfant wrote:Yeah. I wasn't aware people didn't know this; it's an old bug. The game has a few more "cheats" like this: for instance Monks who both dual-wield and flurry get an extra attack and Arcane PrCs give Spirit Shamans extra spell levels.
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Re: practiced spell caster exploit
For note: Testing has revealed the monk extra attack in a flurry thing is gone.
If you're level 1, dual wielding and flurry of blow..ing...you get 3 total attacks.
MH, OH, Flurry MH.
Not sure when they fixed it, but the wiki is outdated on it.
If you're level 1, dual wielding and flurry of blow..ing...you get 3 total attacks.
MH, OH, Flurry MH.
Not sure when they fixed it, but the wiki is outdated on it.
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Re: practiced spell caster exploit
as we don't have any red wizards or whatever, I guess this is kinda moot. I suppose we can just ban using that feat with the PrC?
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I'm assuming this hasn't been fixed, and have been dredging through the nwn2 files looking for the feat script. (so i can see if i can bodge a fix)
Can't find it!
Would somone be able to (please) either
tell me it is fixed, so i can reselect my feats on my shiny new pc.
or
Point me in the right direction of the (no doubt very obvious) practised spellcaster scripts, so i can poke them a stick.
Can't find it!
Would somone be able to (please) either
tell me it is fixed, so i can reselect my feats on my shiny new pc.
or
Point me in the right direction of the (no doubt very obvious) practised spellcaster scripts, so i can poke them a stick.
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Re: practiced spell caster exploit
This all comes down to what I've said before, and I'll say it again....
Re: practiced spell caster exploit
Practiced Spellcaster is not implemented in nwscript, so its nothing we can modify. I did create a function which computes caster level properly. It is located in acr_spells_i.nss, but is not yet called by our spell scripts.
Off the top of my head, there are 3 active PCs (including my own) who receive a +1 CL from this bug. I don't believe any receive more than that, though obviously it is possible.
In the case of Arcane Tricksters, the class is missing a key 3.5 feature: sneak attacks on touch spells. Adding SAs to spells will probably come at the same time as a Practiced Spellcaster fix, since both fixes need similar work done (many spell scripts changed). So I don't see this as a major problem. In most cases the extra +1 CL does not translate into more damage (due to damage caps on most spells), but instead more duration.
The big danger is someone taking the feat with classes and a PrC that grant full CL progression, such as Arcane Scholar, Red Wizard, Doomguide, etc.
Or in other words Rumple, I don't think taking Practiced Spellcaster is considered an exploit in the "banned!" sense. By the time you make a PrC, it may be fixed anyway. I'd go ahead and take the feat; we can always remove it later if really necessary.
Off the top of my head, there are 3 active PCs (including my own) who receive a +1 CL from this bug. I don't believe any receive more than that, though obviously it is possible.
In the case of Arcane Tricksters, the class is missing a key 3.5 feature: sneak attacks on touch spells. Adding SAs to spells will probably come at the same time as a Practiced Spellcaster fix, since both fixes need similar work done (many spell scripts changed). So I don't see this as a major problem. In most cases the extra +1 CL does not translate into more damage (due to damage caps on most spells), but instead more duration.
The big danger is someone taking the feat with classes and a PrC that grant full CL progression, such as Arcane Scholar, Red Wizard, Doomguide, etc.
Or in other words Rumple, I don't think taking Practiced Spellcaster is considered an exploit in the "banned!" sense. By the time you make a PrC, it may be fixed anyway. I'd go ahead and take the feat; we can always remove it later if really necessary.